Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospects https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/t15353 Runboard| Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospects en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:14:30 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:14:30 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451118,from=rss#post451118https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451118,from=rss#post451118Mike Tyson reached his peak and started declining before he was able to drink...nondisclosed_email@example.com (yehyeh)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:49:33 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451117,from=rss#post451117https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451117,from=rss#post451117quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: Yeah. Forget that he pretty much dominated the opposition his 3 years of pro ball. "He's 24 - he should be pitching like Gagne on steroids". Sheesh. By 24 they are just proven veterans, right? If you can't reach your ceiling by the time you can drink, you should just stop trying   nondisclosed_email@example.com (chefjuan)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:08:57 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451100,from=rss#post451100https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451100,from=rss#post451100Yeah. Forget that he pretty much dominated the opposition his 3 years of pro ball. "He's 24 - he should be pitching like Gagne on steroids". Sheesh.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:03:18 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451097,from=rss#post451097https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451097,from=rss#post451097quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: I am surprised that Romo didn't make the list. I guess when you apparently have to pick 5 guys that didn't play pro ball last year for your top 10, there aren't that many spots available. I wouldn't be suprised, macro. He was a 24 year old in A Ball. BA is still comprised of pedophiles.nondisclosed_email@example.com (chefjuan)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:41:49 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451096,from=rss#post451096https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451096,from=rss#post451096quote:22TheThrill wrote: I imagine it's hard for any future middle relief prospect to ever make a list like this one but it sounds like the Giants are really high and Romo. Could he make the leap to the bigs this year? No way. He's never pitched above A level. If they push him to AA and he does well, I would expect him to finish the year in Fresno. Since the Giants won't contend in 08, there's no reason to rush him to the bigs. '09 would be fine (if he's ready). Considering his K/9 was over 14 last year, he may end up being more than a "middle relief guy". He also didn't walk that many guys. Here's hoping he can keep it up next year!nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:29:55 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451095,from=rss#post451095https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451095,from=rss#post451095quote:philramirez wrote: Brian Wilson has logged 50+ innings in the bigs for his career and Luke Anderson has been out of proball for a while now. yeah, the Anderson comment was a joke. It had completely slipped my mind that Wilson had thrown almost 30 innings in 2006. How time flies when your team sucks.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:24:06 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451093,from=rss#post451093https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451093,from=rss#post451093quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: Rating the prospects is the whole "ceiling" vs. "likelihood to make it and contribute" debate I am so keen on discussing (right, Brute? ). I am surprised that Romo didn't make the list. I guess when you apparently have to pick 5 guys that didn't play pro ball last year for your top 10, there aren't that many spots available. I imagine it's hard for any future middle relief prospect to ever make a list like this one but it sounds like the Giants are really high and Romo. Could he make the leap to the bigs this year? Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:00:45 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451091,from=rss#post451091https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451091,from=rss#post451091quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: I am surprised that Romo didn't make the list. I guess when you apparently have to pick 5 guys that didn't play pro ball last year for your top 10, there aren't that many spots available. I'm curious to see what BA writes in Romo's scouting report, of course I'm assuming he's in the top 30. Someone from there said he throws about 6 pitches for strikes from 3 different arm angles. I told Romo about that and he got a kick out of it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (philramirez)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:55:50 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451088,from=rss#post451088https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451088,from=rss#post451088quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: The absence of both Anderson and Wilson is also a head scratcher. Brian Wilson has logged 50+ innings in the bigs for his career and Luke Anderson has been out of proball for a while now. yeah, the Anderson comment was a joke.nondisclosed_email@example.com (philramirez)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:46:23 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451086,from=rss#post451086https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451086,from=rss#post451086The absence of both Anderson and Wilson is also a head scratcher.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:33:55 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451085,from=rss#post451085https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451085,from=rss#post451085Rating the prospects is the whole "ceiling" vs. "likelihood to make it and contribute" debate I am so keen on discussing (right, Brute? ). I am surprised that Romo didn't make the list. I guess when you apparently have to pick 5 guys that didn't play pro ball last year for your top 10, there aren't that many spots available.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:33:11 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451082,from=rss#post451082https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451082,from=rss#post451082quote:sfgiantsfan1285 wrote: quote:BruteSentiment wrote: The list is nice. I have some quibbles (I don't think Velez should be that high, and I do have a different number 1), but I don't think it's wildly out of order. I agree on Velez but I don't know how you can't have Villalona at the top. Yes, he's only 17 but he's got huge upside and was productive. Better rates than Miguel Cabrera at the same age. I'm guessing you have Alderson #1? I think he's a stud too. I predicted Velez to be in Baseball America's Top 10 because all that buzz he generated in the Fall League. Everyone was talking about him. And I have to say his bat was very impressive but his D still remains a big ? mark for me... I would say Brute's numero uno is Nate. nondisclosed_email@example.com (philramirez)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:25:25 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451076,from=rss#post451076https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451076,from=rss#post451076quote:Freshbreaker wrote: When I saw Villalona early in the AZL he looked lazy on defense, and I think that was the reason he had problems with errors. That could be an attitude thing that Brute was mentioning. The plus with his AZL experience last year was that he improved dramatically in the last few weeks he was there. That was one thing that the Giants said they liked so much about him. At age 16 they had already seen him struggle, adjust, and succeed, and it looked like he did that again last year. Maybe we should team Villalona and Feliz up together. Feliz can teach Defense and Angel can teach Pedro how to hit!   nondisclosed_email@example.com (zito4cyyoung)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:01:28 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451075,from=rss#post451075https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451075,from=rss#post451075When I saw Villalona early in the AZL he looked lazy on defense, and I think that was the reason he had problems with errors. That could be an attitude thing that Brute was mentioning. The plus with his AZL experience last year was that he improved dramatically in the last few weeks he was there. That was one thing that the Giants said they liked so much about him. At age 16 they had already seen him struggle, adjust, and succeed, and it looked like he did that again last year.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Freshbreaker)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:00:21 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451072,from=rss#post451072https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451072,from=rss#post451072quote:BruteSentiment wrote: Oh, by no means am I saying that he's not a good prospect at all. Those concerns are just why he's not my #1. I can see what you are saying. Hopefully with Sabean re-structuring of the organization, within the next couple of years the Giants will get a bunch more "top" prospects. Personally, I'm really excited about Noonan and Alderson. I think these two guys might make an impact in the future. Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:28:22 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451071,from=rss#post451071https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451071,from=rss#post451071Oh, by no means am I saying that he's not a good prospect at all. Those concerns are just why he's not my #1.nondisclosed_email@example.com (BruteSentiment)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:15:10 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451069,from=rss#post451069https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451069,from=rss#post451069quote:BruteSentiment wrote: quote:sfgiantsfan1285 wrote: quote:BruteSentiment wrote: The list is nice. I have some quibbles (I don't think Velez should be that high, and I do have a different number 1), but I don't think it's wildly out of order. I agree on Velez but I don't know how you can't have Villalona at the top. Yes, he's only 17 but he's got huge upside and was productive. Better rates than Miguel Cabrera at the same age. I'm guessing you have Alderson #1? I think he's a stud too. I won't spoil anything (My Top 50 list starts being posted on Jan. 2nd, if all goes well). However, with Villalona, a lot is that he had a few indicators in his first pro season that make me wonder if he's not going to reach his ceiling. • He was visibly and vocally upset at not being assigned to S-K, but did nothing to show that he should have. • He had several run-ins with umpires. • While he's understandably aggressive on swinging at breaking balls, he was still aggressive at swinging at them (compare with Noonan, who is a little over a year older, but has a much more advanced approach already). • He's already being looked at moved away from the much needed and valuable third base spot. • He's already having conditioning concerns. All that, and his performance at the AZL was solid, but by no means overwhelming, nor did he respond well to the eventual promotion. Now, he's already showing a lot of improvement in some areas, particularly his plate approach and conditioning in his first year, but while some see his young age and distance from the majors as more time to improve, I see it as more time in which he can get offtrack. All strong concerns Brute but again, Villalona is still just a kid. I think the points you bring up just show that the kid is still at least two or three years away. Let's see how he does in S-K this year or if they send him to Augusta. Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:29:58 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451046,from=rss#post451046https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451046,from=rss#post451046quote:sfgiantsfan1285 wrote: quote:BruteSentiment wrote: The list is nice. I have some quibbles (I don't think Velez should be that high, and I do have a different number 1), but I don't think it's wildly out of order. I agree on Velez but I don't know how you can't have Villalona at the top. Yes, he's only 17 but he's got huge upside and was productive. Better rates than Miguel Cabrera at the same age. I'm guessing you have Alderson #1? I think he's a stud too. I won't spoil anything (My Top 50 list starts being posted on Jan. 2nd, if all goes well). However, with Villalona, a lot is that he had a few indicators in his first pro season that make me wonder if he's not going to reach his ceiling. • He was visibly and vocally upset at not being assigned to S-K, but did nothing to show that he should have. • He had several run-ins with umpires. • While he's understandably aggressive on swinging at breaking balls, he was still aggressive at swinging at them (compare with Noonan, who is a little over a year older, but has a much more advanced approach already). • He's already being looked at moved away from the much needed and valuable third base spot. • He's already having conditioning concerns. All that, and his performance at the AZL was solid, but by no means overwhelming, nor did he respond well to the eventual promotion. Now, he's already showing a lot of improvement in some areas, particularly his plate approach and conditioning in his first year, but while some see his young age and distance from the majors as more time to improve, I see it as more time in which he can get offtrack.nondisclosed_email@example.com (BruteSentiment)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:25:34 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451042,from=rss#post451042https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451042,from=rss#post451042quote:BruteSentiment wrote: The list is nice. I have some quibbles (I don't think Velez should be that high, and I do have a different number 1), but I don't think it's wildly out of order. I agree on Velez but I don't know how you can't have Villalona at the top. Yes, he's only 17 but he's got huge upside and was productive. Better rates than Miguel Cabrera at the same age. I'm guessing you have Alderson #1? I think he's a stud too.nondisclosed_email@example.com (sfgiantsfan1285)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:06:51 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451031,from=rss#post451031https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451031,from=rss#post451031They probably don't say anything that you won't pick up from reading the message boards for a few weeks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:28:19 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451029,from=rss#post451029https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451029,from=rss#post451029Wouldn't that be theft? It's reserved for subscribers, isn't it?nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:21:30 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451018,from=rss#post451018https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451018,from=rss#post451018Does a BA subscriber want to post the writeups for each of the guys on there? Unfortunately for me, my yearly subscription ran out a little less than a month ago. I rarely use the site, so I don't think it is worth the insane amount of money they charge.nondisclosed_email@example.com (hoffy109)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:38:33 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451015,from=rss#post451015https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451015,from=rss#post451015"Do or do not. There is no try."nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:11:16 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450991,from=rss#post450991https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450991,from=rss#post450991quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: Pushed not Cain was. Pushed better adjective for Lincecum is. Thanks, Yoda. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lionel Mandrake)Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:19:45 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450957,from=rss#post450957https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450957,from=rss#post450957quote:Bhaakon wrote: When people say that they're pushing Alderson, fan tends to think of Lincecum. The Cain timeline would put Alderson's debut in the second half of 2010, which may be fast for developing a high school draftee, but it's not that soon. Alderson signed late, so didn't pitch in Short-season ball. I would hope that he'd start the year in Augusta, and if it goes well, spend the 2nd half in San Jose. "Pushing" would have him pitching in AA at the start of (or even before) 2009. The Giants don't need to "push" him, and I'm glad that they took their time with Cain, and he had all the time he needed to work on his pitches (and his head game) before appearing in the majors. Cain still holds the record for the best game I ever saw pitched in person - and it was in San Jose. Amazing game.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:43:40 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450953,from=rss#post450953https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450953,from=rss#post450953They definitely did not "push" him. He worked his way through the system normally, about one year at every level, and not skipping levels. (except for the year he split almost evenly between SJ and Hagerstown, when it was obvious by his 4th start that he was wasting his time in single A). I'm not saying they held him back, I'm pointing out an obvious non-truth by a supposed "professional" talent evaluator who implies Cain was "pushed". Pushed not Cain was. Pushed better adjective for Lincecum is.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:34:34 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450949,from=rss#post450949https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450949,from=rss#post450949When people say that they're pushing Alderson, fan tends to think of Lincecum. The Cain timeline would put Alderson's debut in the second half of 2010, which may be fast for developing a high school draftee, but it's not that soon. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:26:15 +0000 Re: Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450945,from=rss#post450945https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450945,from=rss#post450945Cain was drafted in 02 and made his big league debut in 05 when he was 20. If the Giants didn't "push" him, then they certainly didn't hold him back.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Avenge02)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:03:09 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450944,from=rss#post450944https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450944,from=rss#post450944Every source I have says Alderson is going to be used as a starter unless injuries happen. They really love his stuff, and are not afraid of the motion. Say what you will about the Giants farm system, but they know pitchers and how to develop them. The list is nice. I have some quibbles (I don't think Velez should be that high, and I do have a different number 1), but I don't think it's wildly out of order.nondisclosed_email@example.com (BruteSentiment)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:01:16 +0000 Baseball America Top 10 Giants Prospectshttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450929,from=rss#post450929https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p450929,from=rss#post450929If Alderson is called up during the 2009 season and does pretty well, that could make Cain expendable (especially if Sanchez does well starting), and he might get traded for some pretty nice prospects after the 2009 season.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:04:18 +0000