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1B Garko .4
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Garko is arbitration eligible, which is part of why the Indians dumped him.

Sanchez and Wilson will likely make double those figures in arbitration. Wilson, especially.




I'm not good at predicting these things. 5 seems like a lot for a first year arb closer. But you probably know more about it than I do. We've never really had good arbitration eligible players. It's always been long relievers and bench guys for the most part.



I wouldn't say I know any more than you, they're just my feelings on what they'd be awarded if they actually went to arbitration.

Wilson has been an "OMG All-Star!" Plus, he's actually improved this season and is a good closer. He may not get 5M, but I don't think he'll get less than 4M.

Sanchez is a starter, and it seems he may have turned a corner in his development this season. I could see him getting [sign in to see URL] if it goes to arbitration.

But remember, this is the Giants. They abhor arbitration and will do everything they can to work something out before the hearing.
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I love how this is called "The Official Clean House Thread" following a season in which the team wildly exceeded all reasonable expectations. Some of you are nuttier than those idiots who think Obama was born in Kenya! What's next? You want to change the team colors too?

Those of you expecting a management shakeup are out of your mind. Whether you're right or wrong, managers don't get fired for improving their team's record three every year at the helm. Never going to happen. Quit complaining about it. Move on.



When you continuously waste money on players when the money could be going to better use, you deserve to be fired. End of story.

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I love how this is called "The Official Clean House Thread" following a season in which the team wildly exceeded all reasonable expectations. Some of you are nuttier than those idiots who think Obama was born in Kenya! What's next? You want to change the team colors too?

Those of you expecting a management shakeup are out of your mind. Whether you're right or wrong, managers don't get fired for improving their team's record three every year at the helm. Never going to happen. Quit complaining about it. Move on.



You are correct, however they SHOULD be let go.

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I think the team only moderately exceeding expectations and there is no doubt that it was despite of the often indefensible management of Bochy. I think most of us came into the season expecting something around .500. I don't think anyone expected Uribe to be near 300 with 15 HR, or Zito be be sub 4, or Pablo to be top 5 in batting, or Wilson to have a sub 3 ERA or Sadowski to get 3 wins or the Bullpen to be the best in baseball for much of the season. The players overachieved, not Bochy.

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I think this thread was about what we thought should happen for 2010. That is completely different from what will most likely happen.

We all hoped the team would make some progress in rebuilding this year, but they fell back into their old habit of wasting money with overpaid vets and spending what should have been a huge salary reduction for 2010 on a push for the playoffs.

We hoped the Giants would finish above .500, and they did just that. But finishing the year 12 games above .500 means they won 6 more games out of 162 than was expected.

Sabean's failures over past seasons garnered some very early draft (protected) picks resulting in Lincecum, MadBum and Posey, but next year the Giants will pick at #20 or #21. That might evaporate as well if another FA is signed, so the 2010 draft will be more of a challenge.

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I think the team only moderately exceeding expectations and there is no doubt that it was despite of the often indefensible management of Bochy. I think most of us came into the season expecting something around .500. I don't think anyone expected Uribe to be near 300 with 15 HR, or Zito be be sub 4, or Pablo to be top 5 in batting, or Wilson to have a sub 3 ERA or Sadowski to get 3 wins or the Bullpen to be the best in baseball for much of the season. The players overachieved, not Bochy.



Oh, puh-leeze. MODERATELY exceeded expectations? Expecting around .500??? That's historical revisionism at its worst. A lot of people on this board thought, before the season and even early on (remember all the pant-!@#$ that went on when the season started badly?), that this team was going to sink lower than the Titanic. (And probably faster.) I dare say NO ONE thought this team was going to be seriously competing for the playoffs. Hell, Bhaakon (based on his incessant complaining) STILL doesn't believe the Giants did anything this year.
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I think the team only moderately exceeding expectations and there is no doubt that it was despite of the often indefensible management of Bochy. I think most of us came into the season expecting something around .500. I don't think anyone expected Uribe to be near 300 with 15 HR, or Zito be be sub 4, or Pablo to be top 5 in batting, or Wilson to have a sub 3 ERA or Sadowski to get 3 wins or the Bullpen to be the best in baseball for much of the season. The players overachieved, not Bochy.



Oh, puh-leeze. MODERATELY exceeded expectations? Expecting around .500??? That's historical revisionism at its worst. A lot of people on this board thought, before the season and even early on (remember all the pant-!@#$ that went on when the season started badly?), that this team was going to sink lower than the Titanic. (And probably faster.) I dare say NO ONE thought this team was going to be seriously competing for the playoffs. Hell, Bhaakon (based on his incessant complaining) STILL doesn't believe the Giants did anything this year.



I'm not sure who is playing the revisionist history game. I thought the team would be around .500, and I certainly did not feel like I was alone in that sentiment. I think that if we were to go back and look over all the posts, and tally people's opinions we'd find a large number of people who anticipated improvement over last season's 72 wins. I felt like .500 was pretty attainable considering the Padres attempts at self mutilation over the offseason and the Rockies loss of Holiday (that obviously didn't shakeout). Maybe my recollection of the consensus board opinion is off, but please don't try to tell me I thought something different than what I did—nothing is more offensive.

And just to clarify, if you are soiling yourself about my loose bowels, does that mean you are all for a new contract for Sabean and Bochy? Just want to clarify that. If so why? and if not you've got no business calling me a pant****ter.


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I think the team only moderately exceeding expectations and there is no doubt that it was despite of the often indefensible management of Bochy. I think most of us came into the season expecting something around .500. I don't think anyone expected Uribe to be near 300 with 15 HR, or Zito be be sub 4, or Pablo to be top 5 in batting, or Wilson to have a sub 3 ERA or Sadowski to get 3 wins or the Bullpen to be the best in baseball for much of the season. The players overachieved, not Bochy.




Oh, puh-leeze. MODERATELY exceeded expectations? Expecting around .500??? That's historical revisionism at its worst. A lot of people on this board thought, before the season and even early on (remember all the pant-!@#$ that went on when the season started badly?), that this team was going to sink lower than the Titanic. (And probably faster.) I dare say NO ONE thought this team was going to be seriously competing for the playoffs. Hell, Bhaakon (based on his incessant complaining) STILL doesn't believe the Giants did anything this year.




For whatever it's worth, I predicted 84-78, a 2nd place NL West finish. And the thread is on the MLB board that shows it. There are also a few other posters from here that predicted .500 or better. In fact, the bulk of posters overall predicted .500 or better.
Only 6 out of 27 predicted less than .500
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I also said Pablo would lead the team with a .318 BA.

Not exactly spot- on but pretty decent predictions. Especially if not for those facking Rockies and their long over-production win/loss record streak where they won something like 30 out of 40 games after sucking to start the year.

that not everyone was pantshitting

(I also thought 91 wins would be enough to win the WC, so we will see what the Rockies finish out with)

Sure would be nice to see the G's win out, and make it at least close.








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The team was 72-90 last year and assuming they go 5-5 these last 10, they will be 87-75. That's a 15 game swing from one year to the next. I would say that's a pretty good turnaround.
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The team was 72-90 last year and assuming they go 5-5 these last 10, they will be 87-75. That's a 15 game swing from one year to the next. I would say that's a pretty good turnaround.



So that saves Bochy's job? Why? I know it likely will, but what did Bochy have to do with the 15 game swing.


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