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i dont think zito has had one strikeout this spring


even woody got a k here and there once in a while.

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The Giants paid him to look cool in their ads, not strike people out.


BTW, did anyone else see the generic "watch Barry and the Giants race for the division crown" (or something to that effect) commercials on FSN? I wonder if they're being snarky, stupid, or if they're just too cheap to pay for a new voice-over.

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During the televised game today, the announcers mentioned that he had not a single strikeout this spring.

While the high, dry air there certainly isn't the best environment for snapping off sharp, breaking curve balls - it is disappointing that he doesn't have a single 'K' yet.
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I guess someone forgot to tell last year's D-backs that breaking balls don't work in the valley of the sun. Weakest excuse ever.
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It is one of the highest parks in MLB (I *think* only coors is higher).

I had always heard that breaking pitches are harder to throw (and you don't get as much of a break) at higher altitudes.

And that the dry air also has a negative effect (it's a lot drier in Arizona than in most MLB parks).

Let me google a bit.

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Phoenix is 1117 ft above sea level.
Denver is 1 mile above sea level (5280 ft).

I think you're right that Phoenix is the #2 elevation park, but it's still not remotely comparable to Coors.

The humidity factor is deceiving, water vapor is actually less dense than air, so higher humidity=lower air density=less break. High air temperature does make the air less dense, but it hasn't been that hot in Arizona lately (at least, it wasn't when I was there earlier in the week).

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You can believe Bill James (or not) - as you chose.

I found an article here :
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With this Bill James quote :

Breaking pitches are difficult to throw at high altitudes (a fact, incidentally, which has been known by baseball pitchers at least since the 1920s. In the 1920s there are published comments about how hard it is to throw a breaking pitch in Salt Lake City.)
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Oops - posted before I saw your reply.

I've heard for the past 20 years or so "don't worry about poor performances ST from guys who rely on their curve".
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Re: i dont think zito has had one strikeout this spring


Salt Lake City's elevation is 4,226.

Breaking pitches are definitely harder to throw at elevation, it's just that Phoenix isn't high enough up for that excuse to be credible.
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I worry about Zito for 2008 not because of his ST performance, but because he hasn't pitched that well over the past 4 years. He's been striking out fewer and few batters AND walking more and more.

I don't expect him to miraculously get better in 2008.
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