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Quantifying a defensive value has always been difficult, and even more-so for catchers, but ]this article is the first one that I've seen to make a reasonable attempt at assessing ball-blocking skills statistically. A WP or PB is worth about .27 runs, which would put Veritek at +5.5 and IRod at -7.6.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I wasn't that surprised to find Molina near the bottom. Obviously they need to account for pitchers somehow, perhaps comparing catchers to their backups or breaking the stats down by pitcher (though both present sample-size issues).
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Doug Mirabelli is [sign in to see URL] know how Sabes loves the old guys!
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Sign Wakefield's personal backstop and extort a king's ransom the Red Sox, just like the Padres did a couple years ago. Good call.
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The Sox traded him to the Padres a couple years ago, then realized their error and coughed up one of the more one-sided deals in recent memory to get him back.

If you're going to carry a third catcher, at least get one with some upside, even if it's a long-shot.
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The problem is that this is VERY limited. It talks about balls in the dirt, but not all wild pitches and particularly passed balls are in the dirt. There may be a reasonable extrapolation that it'll stay the same, but no guarantee.

Also, there's much more to defense than passed balls, not the least of which is defending the running game, both catching potential runners and picking off runners. I'd also argue that there's calling pitches and working with pitchers.

I tire of people trying to put a number on everything, especially with a lot of things that have intangibles. Especially when it involves a somewhat arbitrary number (like the value for runs) to calculate, especially if they rationalize THAT number by another arbitrarily calculated formula.

Nothing in baseball is purely mathematical, and not enough to numberize all of it realistically.

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I disagree. Everything in baseball eventually comes down to numbers. Wins, losses, runs scored, runs allowed, hits, K's, BB, etc. Even "intangibles," if they have any impact at all, will effect those numbers. Just because we haven't yet been able to distill those "intangibles" from the numbers doesn't mean it isn't possible.

And, logically speaking, the more and more of the game that "tangibles" can explain, the less important the remaining "intangibles" must be.
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There needs to be a stat for when Molina's fat ass can get out of the crouch and shoulder high fastball goes flying back to the screen (pitcher gets credit for wild pitch) when in reality 90% of catchers do not have lug up 240 pounds to get out their crouch and the runners don't advance.

There is no stat for that situation and it happens a lot with Molina.
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There needs to be a stat for when Molina's fat ass can get out of the crouch and shoulder high fastball goes flying back to the screen (pitcher gets credit for wild pitch) when in reality 90% of catchers do not have lug up 240 pounds to get out their crouch and the runners don't advance.

There is no stat for that situation and it happens a lot with Molina.



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