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i see you use the term, "thoughts" loosely.

nate has never looked as bad as fransden at the plate, ever. yet somehow everyone has faith that franny will be good. nate has hit 300 everywhere, even the show last year. ne needs to get more ab's in the show to see how good he really is.



Yeah. I trust Brian Sabean's "thoughts" only slightly more than I would trust George W Bush's "thoughts".

As for Nate, numbers can be deceiving. A guy who hits .300 consistently in the minors is one thing, but a guy who does so while racking up a 3-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio is prolly not going to be able to pull off the same feat in the bigs.

In his relatively brief stint with Los Gigantes last season, he did hit .300 in slightly more than 100 at-bats, but he did so with 2 bases on balls and 19 strikeouts.

2 walks and 19Ks is going to get you one thing in the bigs: benched. Because his ratios are alarmingly consistent across most of his minor league career, I would say that the chances of him being Grady Sizemore (who surprisingly strikes out a lot) are not nearly as good as the chances of him being Ben Grieve or Jeromy Burnitz.

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how is it that brian's best position picks are still not that hot? i think nate gets better he will be good, but i agree he is not there yet. patience can be improved, talent cannot. if he hits 300, with a 330 obp, and drives in runs, that works for this anemic club.

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Bad comparison in that Burnitz and Ben Grieve both took a lot of walks -- Burnitz even had 99 walks one season and was over 80 walks a few times.

Grieve had a career OBP of .370.

I just don't value Schierholtz' .300 batting average that much if his .OBP is going to be .320. Right now I still think he projects as a doubles hitter and he just doesn't get on base enough.

He did take a walk today though and he is still young and maybe as he matures he will develop more power. I just haven't seen an all-around offensive player come out of the Giants system for 20 years, so I am not holding my breath for Schierholtz.
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Bad comparison in that Burnitz and Ben Grieve both took a lot of walks -- Burnitz even had 99 walks one season and was over 80 walks a few times.

Grieve had a career OBP of .370.



You're probably right, but I didn't stop to actually look up the stats, I just tried to draw comparisons to guys who struck out a lot but never had that prodigious power. So guys like Pete Incavalia, Rob Deer and Dave Kingman were out. There just aren't too many guys who K 130-160 times and hit fewer than 20 bombs who last in the bigs, so I kinda had to stretch my comparisons.

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thehed is just trying to convince himself that there is somebody in the giants lineup that could hit 300 besides rowand. wishful thinking and unrealistic evaluation can blind a man. ben grieve sucked, i hope nate is better than that.

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thehed is just trying to convince himself that there is somebody in the giants lineup that could hit 300 besides rowand. wishful thinking and unrealistic evaluation can blind a man. ben grieve sucked, i hope nate is better than that.



Randy Winn will hit .300.

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