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22TheThrill
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The Giants let two of the best AAA pitchers from last year just walk away this off-season. Other than them, there's not much (exciting) in the system that pitched above A level last year. We might see something this Sep, and 2009 should see some new pitching talent from the minors. Unless Sabean trades it away for an All-Star bat-boy.
I would disagree with assessment.
I'm a big fan of Nick Pereira, a sinkerballer with a low-90's fastball and above average control. There's also Dave McKae, who is a no-stuff pitcher with excellent control and the ability to still miss bats. Both pitched in Double-A last season and Pereira in particular should be in Triple-A this year, and possibly McKae. Neither are on the level of Cain or Lincecum, but almost no one is. But both have the potential to be back of the rotation starters on good teams, IMO.
And that's not even talking about Pat Misch, who spent most of last year in Triple-A, first as a reliever then back as a starter. Or Garrett Broshuis and Geno Espineli, who both worked as consistent starters in Connecticut, but could make for good overall relievers.
As for relief options, I'll admit I'm not a big fan of Billy Sadler. But as for pitchers who spent the majority of the season in the minors above Single-A, I'd include Brian Wilson, Erick Threets, Justin Hedrick, Brooks McNiven, Osiris Matos, Alex Hinshaw, Brian Anderson and Kelvin Pichardo. Many of them should be in the battle for the bullpen either over the course of this season or next.
Some of these pitchers need to step it up, especially with the sky-rocketing cost of middle relief. The Giants really need most of the bullpen to be "home grown" so the team can spend a majority of thier cash on keeping the rotation together and gettting some young position players.
Just sayin'
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2/7/2008, 11:38 am
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The Giants let two of the best AAA pitchers from last year just walk away this off-season. Other than them, there's not much (exciting) in the system that pitched above A level last year. We might see something this Sep, and 2009 should see some new pitching talent from the minors. Unless Sabean trades it away for an All-Star bat-boy.
Who? I wasn't paying attention, seriously.
First, a correction: I said "pitchers", when what I meant was "relievers" (I was responding to the "we've got 8000 pitchers in the minors, one would think we could produce a few quality arms for teh pen" post).
The two relievers who were outstanding in AAA last year and walked were Scott Atchison and Dan Giese. Scott was "OK" in his Sep call-up - Dan was pretty darn good in SF (except for giving up too many HRs ;-).
The Giants let both of them leave (they were FAs).
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2/7/2008, 6:21 pm
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They are both over 30 and are career AAAA pitchers.
Giants are going to need a lot of roster space over the next couple of years in the high minors when the low minor pitcher move up.
If they actually amount to anything good for them but i wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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2/7/2008, 6:58 pm
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The Giants let two of the best AAA pitchers from last year just walk away this off-season. Other than them, there's not much (exciting) in the system that pitched above A level last year. We might see something this Sep, and 2009 should see some new pitching talent from the minors. Unless Sabean trades it away for an All-Star bat-boy.
I would disagree with assessment.
I'm a big fan of Nick Pereira, a sinkerballer with a low-90's fastball and above average control. There's also Dave McKae, who is a no-stuff pitcher with excellent control and the ability to still miss bats. Both pitched in Double-A last season and Pereira in particular should be in Triple-A this year, and possibly McKae. Neither are on the level of Cain or Lincecum, but almost no one is. But both have the potential to be back of the rotation starters on good teams, IMO.
And that's not even talking about Pat Misch, who spent most of last year in Triple-A, first as a reliever then back as a starter. Or Garrett Broshuis and Geno Espineli, who both worked as consistent starters in Connecticut, but could make for good overall relievers.
As for relief options, I'll admit I'm not a big fan of Billy Sadler. But as for pitchers who spent the majority of the season in the minors above Single-A, I'd include Brian Wilson, Erick Threets, Justin Hedrick, Brooks McNiven, Osiris Matos, Alex Hinshaw, Brian Anderson and Kelvin Pichardo. Many of them should be in the battle for the bullpen either over the course of this season or next.
First (as I pointed out in my last post) I should have been clearer than I was talking about relievers. I also should have been clearer that I was talking about prospects for a major league contribution in 2008 when I said "there's not much (exciting) in the system". Some guys might show up in Sep, but I don't expect much of anybody to contribute before then, as i said in my post (with the caveats of Wilson, Misch, Sanchez as I explain below).
I am a big fan of Wilson, but didn't mention him because I think he's a lock for the pen this year, as the closer. Slightly different logic for Misch and Sanchez (and, for that matter, Schierholtz) : if they can't qualify as a rookie, I don't consider them as minor leaguers ("in AAA") - in my mind, they are major leaguers, even if they spent time in AAA last year and may spend some time there this coming year.
But the Giants DID let two of their best relief pitchers in AAA walk (not "THE best" - "two OF the best" - Wilson was the third). In terms of the other pitchers you mentioned...
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I think it's time for the Giants to let Threets (and Merkin Valdez) walk. We've been waiting for their "potential" to grow into something tangible for years, and it just hasn't happened. As soon as room is needed on the 40-man roster, I expect them to be history. The cupboard is pretty bare here (with the caveats explained above for Misch, Sanchez, Wilson).
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I've never been much of a Broshuis or Espineli or McNiven fan - I've just never been impressed by their performances. It's been a while since I've seen them, but I never thought either would be much more than a #5 starter or random bullpen journeyman (IF they make it).
If Hinshaw can repeat his 2007 at a higher level, it would be *very* exciting - 2007 was the first year he was able to cut the walks, which were killing him. If it has "clicked", that's great.
Hedrick *is* something to be excited about - one of the few guys above A I've been excited about. I hope he starts the season in Fresno.
I hope Pereira can continue to be successful - he did stumble after leaving San Jose in 06. I haven't seen him pitch since, but he did kind of hit a wall. I guess he was promoted too fast (from A to AAA).
For some reason I thought Pichardo and McKae were in A last year. My bad - I missed their promotion when they left San Jose mid-season. McKae is *amazing* - I loved watching him pitch.
Brian Anderson and Pichardo both struggled after promotion to AA. We'll see this coming year if they will be able to adjust.
Bateman : his last year to show if he can make it or not. When you're 27 with 6 years of pro ball under your belt, you *should* be succeeding in AA.
So I guess the only guys that I'd call "exciting" at AA or higher are Hedrick and McKae, since they're the only guys that have had more than one year of success (or who didn't hit a wall after promotion). To a lesser extent, Anderson (he had two *fantastic* years to start his pro career and just didn't do well in AA - but I *want* him to, after setting a new Cal League record for saves in 06).
Well, exciting is the adjective I'd use for Oseguera or Sergio Romo, or David Quinowski or Cowart or Snyder or Pucetas or Henry Sosa or Trinidad or Robert Grace or David Newton. But those guys were all at 'A' in 07 (and a bunch of them were in Augusta, not San Jose). But '07 might be a VERY good year for pitching in both San Jose and Norwich !!
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Re: Giants/ Chulk settle
Marco...why on Merkin? The guy had Tommy John is only coming back now. Why give up on him until giving him at least another year to show he can/can't come back. Before the injury, he was our #1 prospect.
Threets...well...he does have a cannon...I keep hoping. I'd give him this year to show what he can/can't do...if he can't...then I"m with you...time to move on.
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Marco...why on Merkin? The guy had Tommy John is only coming back now. Why give up on him until giving him at least another year to show he can/can't come back. Before the injury, he was our #1 prospect.
Threets...well...he does have a cannon...I keep hoping. I'd give him this year to show what he can/can't do...if he can't...then I"m with you...time to move on.
Maybe it's time the Giants deal Threets. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the ChiSox in a deal for Crede.
However, I hope they give Merkin one more year although isn't he out of options? If so, I say trade him too.
Just sayin'
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It sounds like the Giants might want to try and roll the dice on Merkin for there is a good chance that given his recent performance, no team would pick him up if he were to go unprotected?
Just askin'
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