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Crede is scrappy and Feliz isn't? Based on what?

At the risk of implying that you're a racist, haven't you ever noticed that almost every "scrappy" or "hard nosed" player is a white guy who's average at best, while many minority players with similar production get called underachievers and hacks? What makes Crede scrappy and Feliz a hack? That Crede takes a couple more pitches?

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Oh here we go with the race card.....

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Crede is scrappy and Feliz isn't? Based on what?

At the risk of implying that you're a racist, haven't you ever noticed that almost every "scrappy" or "hard nosed" player is a white guy who's average at best, while many minority players with similar production get called underachievers and hacks? What makes Crede scrappy and Feliz a hack? That Crede takes a couple more pitches?



That's so true, Bhaakon. I don't think so many people would be in love with David Eckstein or Darrin Erstad if they looked like Hanley Ramirez.


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I think the poster meant to write that Crede is "crappy" just like Feliz. emoticon

There is absolutely no reason to trade anyone of value for Crede -- he had one good season and now has a bad back -- I would much rather just pay less money to sign MacPherson, who may surprise and will not cost any talent to obtain.

Sabean please don't make any more bonehead moves -- do not trade for Crede!! Even if he is "scrappy" I could give a flying flip when he only gets on base 3 out of 10 times.
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I'm comfortable with Fransden being the opening day 3b, and Durham put on notice that if he struggles again, Velez will take over 2b.
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"At the risk of implying that you're a racist, haven't you ever noticed that almost every "scrappy" or "hard nosed" player is a white guy who's average at best, while many minority players with similar production get called underachievers and hacks? What makes Crede scrappy and Feliz a hack? That Crede takes a couple more pitches?"

100% agree...
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Crede is scrappy and Feliz isn't? Based on what?

At the risk of implying that you're a racist, haven't you ever noticed that almost every "scrappy" or "hard nosed" player is a white guy who's average at best, while many minority players with similar production get called underachievers and hacks? What makes Crede scrappy and Feliz a hack? That Crede takes a couple more pitches?



Wow when did this turn into Jerry Springer? emoticon

I think what the dude meant was that Crede gives the appearance of "trying" whereas Feliz looked like he was tired/content/whatever every single time he whiffed at a slider or GIDP. I'm sure Feliz cared and all, but perception is key.

Put it this way; I think Randy Winn is scrappy too. Maybe it's the way he seems to be 113% alert at the plate, and when he grounds out to 1B, at least he has a habit of slamming his helmet to the ground.

Maybe that's what he meant. It's easier to pull for a guy who sucks but is trying (ala Frandsen in the majors) than a guy who sucks but looks like he barely cares(hillenbrand).



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And I think that subjective things like "looks like he's trying" is one of the areas where unconscious racism rears it's ugly head. I also think that there are precious few major leaguers who aren't working their a$$e$ off, and Feliz was not on that short list (note: that doesn't mean Feliz was either good or worth keeping).
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a guy who sucks but looks like he barely cares(hillenbrand).



This reminds me... If Crede craps out during Spring, is it possible Sabean will give Hillenbrand another run? He "plays" the two questionmark areas the Giants have at 1B and 3B.
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