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If the Giants were able to acquire EE from the Reds for Lowry where would he hit in the line up? Would it move Rowand to the 4 spot, EE the 5 spot, and Molina to the 6 spot?



If the Giants could acquire EE, then I'd bat him 4th and keep Rowand in the 5th spot. This would also move Molina down to the 6th spot which is where he belongs.

Might EE being in the 4th spot be too much to ask of him? Probably, but I'd rather have his increased speed and OPS potential in that spot over Molina.

Finally, if I were Sabean I'd call the Reds and offer up Lowry, Sanchez and a bullpen arm like Taschner if it meant that I could get a package of EE, Votto and a young pitcher like Cueto in return.

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Eh? I was under the impression that Noah was shut down with an elbow strain this season, not an oblique injury.



That is true. 2006 was the year he suffered the oblique injury.

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I know Noah had the oblique in 2006, which is my point. An oblique is nothing to sneeze at, but it generally raises fewer red flags than an elbow strain. Particularly when the pitcher hasn't thrown in a game since the injury presented itself.
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First, let's dispell the first myth. The difference between the 'more' and 'less' talented leagues?

AL: .270/.338/.423
NL: .266/.334/.422

That's hardly a huge [sign in to see URL] .004 difference in OPS doesn't make me feel like AL stats are that much different than NL.



All batters in the PCL combines for a .783* OPS in 2007. By your analysis, the PCL must have been more talented than either major league. (* approximately, I averaged the OPS of each team since I couldn't find a number for the entire league).

This number, if it were adjusted for parks and the DH, would tell you how the talent is distributed between hitters and pitchers in each league individually, it is useless for comparing talent between leagues.



If you were trying to compare the PCL to the IL, that might apply, but the AL and NL play with the same players at the same level.

So tell me, where is YOUR evidence or assertion that the AL is better across the board?

The rest of it is all subjective. Heck, I think THIS is subjective.

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You're right that it's partly subjective, however, recent interleague records support the assertion that the AL is the stronger league. Unless I've screwed up the math, the AL has a 427-329 record in interleague play since 2005, including 137-115 last season. I don't buy the idea that DH gives AL team an advantage, at least, not one that isn't canceled out by losing of the DH in NL parks. If anything, I think it's a bigger handicap to replace one of your better hitters with a pitcher than to replace your pitcher with your best pinch hitter (though the handicap obviously varies based on each team's personel). There's also the payroll disparity. AL teams average an $84M payroll, while NL teams average 73M (I got the numbers from wikipedia, I know that alot of the payroll lists vary). Granted, money isn't the same as talent, but it's suggestive of talent. It's also true that alot of the gap is attributable to two teams, but those two teams happen to play in Bedard's division.
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I was just curious how Bedard did against the dominant offense of Boston and New York last year --

v. NYY -- 21 innings; 21K/3BB; [sign in to see URL] ERA and .153 BAA; WHIP of .667

v. Boston -- 13 and 2/3 innings; 13K/7BB; [sign in to see URL] ERA; .133 BAA; WHIP under [sign in to see URL]

and not that I care about this stat but his record was 3-0 against the two powerhouse teams.

In all fairness he also dominated TB, but those are some good numbers against those offenses.

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I was scanning the Quality of Batters Faced over at BP (very interesting stat, BTW, too bad you have to pay to search it properly). Anyway, Bedard and Noah's weren't different enough to comment on, but it's interesting that Zito was #617 (out of 717). The batters he faced averaged .256/.328/.407 .735 OPS for the season, as opposed to the NL average of .266/.334/.422 .756. So there you go, the luck of the draw spotted him a solid .019 OPS against an he still screwed it up. Also interesting:

Brian Wilson: #33, .277/.346/.445
Jack Taschner: #63, .264/.343/.436


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I'd do Lowry for Encarnacion, but I doubt the Reds would or else the Giants would have made the deal. I bet the Reds would want Lowry/Corriea or Lowry/Sanchez if they would part with EE. I might be willing to do a Lowry/Sosa combo. EE kinda reminds me of Aramis Ramirez at that age. He could be the cleanup hitter we're coveting.

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