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Thoughts on the offseason so far?


Is anybody besides me disapointed with the way things have gone? I didn't expect them to trade the farm for Cabrera or overpay for Jones... But I did expect that they'd unload at least one of the following: Durham, Roberts, or Winn to free up a spot for one of the young guys like Schierholtz, Lewis, or Frandsen. They haven't done that. And if you look at this team, with the exception of the departure of Bonds, and Addition of Rowand, this is the exact same team. If this was Sabean's plan, so far I am not digging it. Thoughts?
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It's hard to trade what nobody wants. At best, they might become more valuable during the season.

At least, there's stuff that *hasn't* happened yet:
- they haven't signed Aurilia to a new 2 year contract
- they didn't throw $20M at Bonds
- they didn't sign a #2 pitcher to a 7 yr/$136M contract

So it's a better off-season than last year, at least.

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I've got to agree with Marco, it's hard to trade some of these guys.

Frankly, I'm happier with standing pat than adding the majority of the players who were available (especially after the A-Rod debacle). The majority of guys out there (including potentially Rowand) would not have been worth the cash, and would've just ended up blocking the young guys more.

I'm disappointed they couldn't find someone willing to offer a reasonable deal for Sanchez or Lowry, though. But it takes two to tango, so why not be disappointed in the other teams for not valuing our guys?

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I've got to agree with Marco, it's hard to trade some of these guys.

Frankly, I'm happier with standing pat than adding the majority of the players who were available (especially after the A-Rod debacle). The majority of guys out there (including potentially Rowand) would not have been worth the cash, and would've just ended up blocking the young guys more.

I'm disappointed they couldn't find someone willing to offer a reasonable deal for Sanchez or Lowry, though. But it takes two to tango, so why not be disappointed in the other teams for not valuing our guys?



I am not disapointed that they didn't go after a bunch of big named FA, besides Rowand. Truth be told, I am not jumping for joy over that move either. My disapointment lies in the fact that in all likelyhood Schierholtz and Frandsen... younger guys will be riding the pine again. Granted this is just the first offseason of the so called make over, but I don't see that this team is headed in a clear direction as of yet. I can live with a few bad years that are on the horizon, but I want to see some signs of hope and progress at some point.
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I too would rather stand pat, than make the same mistakes of the last two [sign in to see URL] in that I agree with Marco and Brute, it's been a better off-season than the last two years.

Obviously we'd all like to trade Aurilia, Winn, Roberts, and [sign in to see URL] who would want them? We were the only team dumb enough to sign them to those riduclous [sign in to see URL] factor in [sign in to see URL] absolutely have to take this off-season off, and I said the same thing the last two years before all the knucklehead signings.

If we're going to suck, suck for cheap and see what we have [sign in to see URL]'t make signings just "to do something".
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I have to agree with Brute and Marco too. If you look a little deeper, this may be the new approach, instead of chasing everyone, they went after a certain things, appears only one thing has panned out (if you like the rowand deal, which I am not thrilled, but don't hate either-he could be a great example for young guys, attitude wise). With everyone talking about the disappointment in getting rid of guys, be patient, if the Giants are truely going to rebuild and no one wants to take their vets than they have to wait it out, meaning next year both Aurillia and Durham are off the books and roster 2 of the 4 gone. Maybe Roberts at 1 year is easier to dump and if Winn can have another 07, he is much more tradeable. Also, not resigning Feliz (so far) is another example of a change in philosphy. As fans of course we want to win and be good, however if you want the Giants to truely change we may have to have off-seasons like KC or Pitts for a year or two since we don't have tradeable vets and high profile FA's may not find this an "A" list destination right now. May be a little too positive thinking for some, but lets get real, everyone is moaning we don't have a very good team, than why would we expect other teams to want the vets on this roster, be patient it will not happen in one off-season. The Giants still have their great pitching, something most teams wish they could say.
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Re: Thoughts on the offseason so far?


I'm somewhat on the same page as everyone of the thread.

Last offseason is still the historically worst offseason of my lifetime. So anything has to be an improvement over that.

But I'm still disappointed that Sabean's lack of moves is viewed as a positive. Lincecum deal for example. In retrospect, I think it was a ploy to distract us from the horrible Rowand signing. Everyone was patting Sabes on the back for signing Rowand instead of trading for Rios. So NOT trading Tim goes down in Teh Win column for Sabean? I didn't murder or rob anyone last year. Good for me?

But it still hasn't sunk into most (media mostly) that they just gave a 5 year contract to a 31 year old coming off a career year. Market value be damned, it was horrible signing. Wait until next season. As GWB so famously said about voting against the Wild Card, "History will prove me right."

Sabean went into the the off-season desperate. He has since been downgraded to inept, which is an improvement, I guess. Hopefully he'll reach the highest rating on my scale: Unemployed.

There are still three months for him to trade Schierholtz, Corriea and Wilson for Joe Crede.




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I too would rather stand pat, than make the same mistakes of the last two [sign in to see URL] in that I agree with Marco and Brute, it's been a better off-season than the last two years.

Obviously we'd all like to trade Aurilia, Winn, Roberts, and [sign in to see URL] who would want them? We were the only team dumb enough to sign them to those riduclous [sign in to see URL] factor in [sign in to see URL] absolutely have to take this off-season off, and I said the same thing the last two years before all the knucklehead signings.

If we're going to suck, suck for cheap and see what we have [sign in to see URL]'t make signings just "to do something".




This brings us to the main dilemma facing management and their ballpark debt: by simply playing the kids, they would probably be able to sort out their future better, but at the same time, they fear people won't come out to see the games *esp. after BB has left.





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I'm torn about this off season. On the one hand, I'm disappointed that we haven't seen a complete overhaul of the lineup e.g., what the Marlins did several times.

I'm just a fan so it is hard for me to say whether veterans like Roberts, Winn, and Durham are or are not tradable. We have seen guys like Rolen, Glaus and Tejada all get traded so don't tell me that the veterans that the Giants have don't have any value what so ever. Everyone has a price tag. My guess is that Sabean isn't willing to pay as much of the contracts as the other teams want and/or he doesn't want to take prospects back in deals. Otherwise some of these guys would have been traded by now.

I will say that other than the Rowand signing, the Giants have so far been rather conservative with their spending. I think Sabean would like to sign a veteran relief pitcher but then the price of $3 million makes him say "no". This is a refreshing stance for an organization that has signed way too many guys recently to bad deals. Hopefully, this is a conscience decision on the Giants part and one that they will keep this year. No more Roberts or worse, Zito type deals. Heck, Sabean could have signed Tomko to a $3 million dollar deal and he didn't. Thank Bonds.

Let's see the "kids" play in 2008. Yes, guys like Winn, Roberts and Durham will block guys like Schierholtz, Davis, Lewis, and Frandsen in the short term, but unfortunately this team will be so bad, that after the first month they will be "out of it" and even Bochy will be willing to play the younger guys.

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Beane managed to trade Kotsay and Scutaro, a gimp and a non-factor, as well as pillaging the Diamondbacks farm system for Haren and The ChiSox for Swisher. I can't believe that there is NO market for our vets. Sabean might not like the value, but he signed them and put us in this position. He should have to get us out, even if it means getting no return on our initial investment.

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