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Does anyone think any single GM in baseball would have outed Bonds? Can you imagine the fallout for the Giants if Sabean had?

Giants were in a new ballpark with a ton of debt, and let's face it, Giants fans [sign in to see URL] were coming for Bonds, nothing [sign in to see URL] Bonds would have cost the Giants 10s of millions, maybe even a 100 million. Also, what F.A. would ever come to Giants if the GM is outting people?

I don't agree with Sabeans lack of action, but it's obvious why he did [sign in to see URL] let's be honest here, Baer, [sign in to see URL] all knew. Everyone in the stands knew. All the reporters [sign in to see URL] that goes for all GMs, fans, and [sign in to see URL] all knew they had juiced players and chose to do nothing.
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The angry mob wants blood. I wonder if we will get the MLB version of Sarbanes Oxley?

Every GM has to sign off on internal PED control system and will be held accountable for violations
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I think it is important to remember that at the point the quoted passage was made, Conte did not base or portray his concerns about the trainers to Sabean as being steroid related, but instead he protested that they were unqualified and did not belong in restricted areas. Sabean seemingly made the sensible response to the trainer, telling him if he felt that way he should expel the trainers from the clubhouse. Conte claims he never did this because Sabean did not respond to his question about supporting him if Bonds protested his action. This may or may not be true, we really have no way of knowing, but I really don’t see how this matters in any case. Sabean gave Conte the option to expel the trainers and he chose not to do so as to avoid confronting Bonds.

In fact we do not hear of any concerns about steroid use in the passage until the meeting between Hallinan, Nugent and Conte during winter 2001, during which drugs were not explicitly discussed, but Nugent allegedly alluded that they “knew what Conte was talking about” regarding security concerns with Bonds entourage.

According to the Mitchell Report, the Giants then discussed Barry’s entourage during contract negotiations, and assurances were made to Barry that their access would remain consistent with the past.

It was not until August 2002 that Conte first approached Sabean with direct concerns about Anderson and steroids. At this point Sabean suggested Conte approach Bonds and Anderson about the steroid allegations. While Conte protested that he did not feel this was his duty, according to the Mitchell Report on Page 67, Sabean gave the same advice to his trainer that the Phillies General Manager gave trainer Jeff Cooper when he approached him with concerns about steroid use:

Philadelphia’s then-head athletic trainer Jeff Cooper told us that during this period
he observed a Phillies player whose use of steroids was “obvious.” Cooper would not divulge the player’s identity to us. He told us that he approached the general manager (apparently Thomas) to report his concerns, and the general manager advised Cooper that he should raise the subject with the player directly. Cooper then did raise the issue with the player, who said it was none of Cooper’s business. The matter went no further.


Unlike Cooper, Conte chose not to confront the player involved, and while it may not be proper to ask trainers to do this, it was certainly not an unprecedented action in baseball. Sabean did according to Mitchell have Conte take his concerns about Anderson to a local DEA agent. The DEA agent told Conte, who then told Sabean, that there was no information at the DEA about problems with Greg Anderson and drugs. Sabean then reportedly told Conte that if the Anderson was involved with drugs, he felt the government would know, and left the issue there.

FSS is dead on with his assessment IMO, and Axavier gets props for making me wipe the coffee off my monitor with the Sarbanes Oxley reference.

In regard to wanting blood, I can understand people wanting Sabean out, but running him out of town for his role in not stopping Bonds from committing his “alleged” transgressions seems to be a bit of a stretch.
        
Sabean is likely to be fined for failing to inform MLB of what he knew, and perhaps suspended, but I can’t see much more coming from this problem


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I also think we shouldn’t lose sight of the real enemy:

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Don't do it, kid!

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Teh worst Commish in sports and possibly EVER. Yes, worse than Bateman. I would come around about 45 degrees on Bud if he manned up and said, "Fans, Congress, players: all of this has happened on my watch. I accept part of the blame. Now, let's go about making it right." But no, the tube worm constantly deflects any responsibility and blows like a damn leaf in the wind. What's it going to take to get rid of this putz?

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apparently. nothing will get rid of this putz as he was extended to 2012. emoticon

his lack of leadership and willingness to blame others astounds me. Makes me wish for a David Stern or Roger Goodell
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quote:

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 I would come around about 45 degrees on Bud if he manned up and said, "Fans, Congress, players: all of this has happened on my watch. I accept part of the blame. Now, let's go about making it right."



From an article 2 days ago, discussing the Congressional hearings (]Link ) :

"Do I wish we could have reacted quicker? Should we have? One could make the case," the commissioner said. "All of us have to take responsibility, starting with me." In his opening statement, Selig vowed to develop a program "to require top prospects for the major league draft to submit to drug testing before the (amateur) draft."

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Responsibility for reacting quicker? Not good enough. Taken responsibility for turning a blind eye? That's better. If you're going to infer possible punishment to teams, then punish yourself, Commish.

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When a lot of money is involved, anyone can be a slim ball.

Most Owners in sports are shady in some regard, and executives also. Commissioners are pawns of the owners, so we expect them to be clean?

David Stern has turned Basketball into a thugs game, and then tried to clean up their image. Its like taking a prison and putting suits on the inmates in order to get sponsors.

Seligs transgressions are well documented here, but the bottom line is Sabean, Selig, other would have done something if they could have done so without losing tens of millions of dollars, maybe even billions.

I'd say Goodell has been pretty good so far, but the NFL is still as crooked as they come. Is is a coincidence Bob Kraft the Owner of the Patriots also sits on the board of directors at Viacom? Viacom owns CBS, same CBS that broadcasts Patriots games. Only after Viacom split was Bob Kraft added to the board, as to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Money has ruined sports.

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Not to change the subject, but did you know that certain Slime Eels can actually live on land ?

I was surprised to learn that too, but it's true.

See for yourself:

]Slime Eel also known as the Hag fish


 Hagfish

Lineage:

Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Chordata
Class Myxini
Order Myxiniformes
Family Myxinidae

How can you tell a hagfish if you see one?

They look kind of like eels or lamprey, being long, slender and light pinkish grey in colour.
They are elegantly simple in design, having no fins (except for a primitive tail fin), knobby protrusions, and few accessories to speak of.
Their eyes are reduced but they have good senses of touch and smell.
They have a ring of short sensitive tentacles around their mouths.
Large slime glands line their sides along the length of their bodies.

What do they do?

For a long time, people thought of hagfish as scavengers and parasites, probably due to their habit or burrowing into dead or dying animals and eating them from the inside out. In fact, most of their diet is made up of marine worms and other invertebrates. Scientists used to think the hagfish looked primitive as a result of the loss of characteristics often associated with being a parasite.

Another ability that had won fame for hagfish is the mass amounts of slime almost instantly secreted as a defense mechanism.

Where are they found?

Hagfish can be found in the chilly waters of the antitropical north and south.
They tend to live on and in muddy sea floors in very dense groups (up to 15,000 in an area). Because females tend to produce large eggs in small numbers, their population sizes suggest a low death rate.

What kind of tricks can they do?

One very useful trick hagfish have developed is the ability to tie themselves in knots, and be able to slide in and out of this knot. This can be used to escape predators, to clean themselves of slime, and to work their way into a carcass.
They can also sneeze to unclog their nostrils of their own slime.

What else makes them special?

Hagfish don't really have jaws. Instead they have two pairs of rasps on top of a tongue. They pull meat into their mouths with the tongue, then tear it off the prey with the rasps.

Newly hatched hagfish look just like the adults, but have both male and female sex organs. When they mature, they will be either male or female, but have the ability to change from one to the other if the population structure demands it.

They have a very low metabolism. Once they eat, they may not have to again for up to seven months.

Although hagfish have a partial skull, they have no back bone, so are not true vertebrates. What skeleton they do have is made of cartilage.
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