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He's the only one getting heat 1) Because it's Bonds, 2) Because there's evidence, and 3) because he's still GMing.

There's internal Dodger memo indicating that the team knew of LoDuca's PED use, but it dates from before the team was sold to McCourt and 3 GMs ago. The evidence is damning, but there's no one to punish.
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Selig and Fehr make themselves worse than T.O. crying like a byatch!!






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That still doens't sit well considering everyone with a brain can see that steroid use was/is prevalent and that every other GM would know just as much as Sabean about what goes on in their clubhouse. I guess if you can't get the person most responsible, get the person who APPEARS most responsible. Gotta love the US government.

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I think the thing with Sabean isn't that he knew about the steroid use, it's that he was unlucky enough to have a person with ethical standards around to blow the whistle. If they'd just gotten Pierzynski a few seasons earlier, there would have been someone around to keep Conte's mouth shut.
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[sign in to see URL] there really that much love lost between Stan Conte and the Giants or were you referring to Victor?

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So the Trucoat salesman turned steroid crusader is reviewing possible punishment for Giants ownership and management for the manner they allegedly handled steroid concerns in their clubhouse. If you look beyond the obvious fact that Bud Selig lacks the moral high ground to be dispensing any discipline for inaction in this matter, the Giants named are the logical targets for taking baseball management’s hit on the steroid issue. By abandoning the cover Senator Mitchell provided in his recommendation that Selig not pursue disciplinary action against players for past transgressions, Selig has made it necessary to scapegoat selected ownership groups and management personnel to keep things fair. Magowan went off the reservation years ago by publicly financing the new ballpark in San Francisco, shunning the accepted and Selig endorsed practice of MLB teams fleecing local taxpayers to pay for stadiums. By doing so he abandoned any cover the other owners might provide in this matter, and his ties to Barry Bonds and BALCO tie up the package nicely for Selig. It allows Bud to claim that while he was doing everything he could to wipe out steroids in baseball, there were certain undermining ownership groups and management personnel that were letting him down by condoning drug use in their club houses and not letting him know there was a problem.

One might argue that voiding the steroid clause in the multi-million contract signed by the Yankees with a former A’s player caught up in BALCO may have been condoning steroid use, but this is an easier case to make for the commish with no political baggage.

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Ehhh I'm retarded, of course it was Victor considering Stan Conte has been gone for only a short time. Never mind my previous post.

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I think the thing with Sabean isn't that he knew about the steroid use, it's that he was unlucky enough to have a person with ethical standards around to blow the whistle. If they'd just gotten Pierzynski a few seasons earlier, there would have been someone around to keep Conte's mouth shut.



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The fallout continues. I can't see how Selig can't do something, a fine, a suspension, even call for someone's firing. My guess is that Congress and Selig will want somebody head from management. I don't think Selig can go after Peter but Sabean might be fair game. Also, what happens if Sabean is asked to go in front of Congress next month. Wouldn't that be interesting.

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The bottom line truth is that 1) no, the Giants weren't the only team that looked the other way, but 2) they were the only team that was mentioned in the Mitchell Report. That means they are going to have to suffer the consequences.

Unfortunately, that's the way it goes. Bud can't go around punishing all the teams even though most of them had players outed in the report. Sabes and Magowan were the two mentioned, didn't do anything about it, and are going to have to pay the piper. It's not really about what would anyone else have done or whether it was right or wrong. I'm 99% positive in my mind that all the other GMs looked the other way too. It's part of the baseball/pro sports culture. What happened in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. I have no doubt everyone else did the same thing.
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Like many I have been extremely unhappy with almost all of Brian Sabean's personnel decisions over the last 4 or 5 years. But what did most of you want or expect him to do in his situation? Be the only person to out a suspected steroid user and lose all credibility in the clubhouse and front office and alienate the person most responsible for the success of the Giants during their nice run a few years back? Selig is the one who should be receiving the bulk of the negative attention. And it is pretty convenient for him not to back Sabean and to let him get run over. Sabean deserves the blame for a lot of things but how some here and in congress can try and pin this on him is border line ridiculous.



This isn't about Sabean "outing" Bonds. This is about him taking control over the Major League Baseball team he was hired to run. I'm not saying he should have called up Bud* and said, "Hey, I've got Bonds doing 'roid over here." I'm saying he shouldn't have been a !@#$ spineless prick and tried to get Conte--the facking trainer--to try and take control of the clubhouse. He shouldn't have lied straight to the face of the man that signs his checks. He shouldn't have allowed Bonds' posse to infiltrate the Bell and attempt to spread steroids beyond Bonds and the Balco Boys.

As a Giants fan, it's disgusts me to read those stories about Sabean passing the buck to Stan. Stan has no responsibility managing the goings on inside the clubhouse.

I'm not saying Sabean *should* be taking the heat for the steroids era either. But I sincerely HOPE he lies in front of Congress and gets caught and spends a few months behind bars and frees the Giants from the biggest hinderance. I wouldn't feel bad one bit. It's obvious to me he a slimy human being.

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