Shea Hey Part Deux https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/t15426 Runboard| Shea Hey Part Deux en-us Tue, 19 Mar 2024 07:25:16 +0000 Tue, 19 Mar 2024 07:25:16 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451821,from=rss#post451821https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451821,from=rss#post451821quote:BenboC wrote: quote:losgigantes wrote: We just fired our batting coach, right? Or am I dreaming? Whoa whoa wait a second. We had a hitting coach last season?! You didn't see him/them at the games? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lionel Mandrake)Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:14:06 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451809,from=rss#post451809https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451809,from=rss#post451809quote:losgigantes wrote: We just fired our batting coach, right? Or am I dreaming? Whoa whoa wait a second. We had a hitting coach last season?!nondisclosed_email@example.com (BenboC)Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:37:05 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451764,from=rss#post451764https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451764,from=rss#post451764quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: - pick the BEST talent available when it's your pick, IGNORING supposed "needs" (because that player most likely won't be on your team until 3-5 years from the date of the pick, when needs have changed). Always pick THE BEST guy you can. I totally agree, but it seems Sabes grabs a pitcher no matter who the hell is on teh board. We just fired our batting coach, right? Or am I dreaming?nondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:18:58 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451763,from=rss#post451763https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451763,from=rss#post451763quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: quote:losgigantes wrote:  Shea Can't-Get-A-Hit-or-take-a-walkenbrand I like that a LOT. =Dnondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:16:20 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451760,from=rss#post451760https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451760,from=rss#post451760It's less of a craps shoot than the playoffs, if only because you get more chances. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:33:16 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451756,from=rss#post451756https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451756,from=rss#post451756quote:TheMalcontent wrote: If the draft were a total crap shoot, then over a 10 year period with 500 picks a GM should be able to get a single position player that could start at a decent level of play. Ortmeier? Schierholtz? Frandsen? Lewis? The jury is still out on all of the above - maybe we'll find out in 2008 (if Sabean stops signing crappy vets). Well, the jury isn't out on the fact that Lewis is the worst fielder the Giants have seen since D Hamilton. I expect ONE of the above to be a "decent" player. (Unless by "decent" you meant "star". I took "decent" to mean "approximately average", a little under or over.)nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:11:06 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451755,from=rss#post451755https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451755,from=rss#post451755quote:22TheThrill wrote: [...] I'll hold off judgement until I can see how well Burgardner does this next year. The draft is a total c rap shoot. The draft IS a total crap shoot. I *wish* the Giants would be able to draft and/or sign stellar position players. BUT - I think much more important is to : - pick the BEST talent available when it's your pick, IGNORING supposed "needs" (because that player most likely won't be on your team until 3-5 years from the date of the pick, when needs have changed). Always pick THE BEST guy you can. - go with what you know. IF (and I'm not saying this is definitely true, but others have) the Giants simply cannot develop good position talent, then they SHOULD be picking pitching, which they have shown they CAN develop. I will reserve judgement on how well the Giants picked in 2007 until next year (at the earliest). After the 2008 season I'll look at how well the picks did during the year. I'll do the same after the 2009 season. At that point we'll have a better idea if picking Madison Bumgarner over Beau Mills was the right move. I think that it's pretty clear at this point that the 2006 draft was a pretty darn successful one for the Giants, even if not one single other guy makes it to the majors. And considering how well Ben Snyder, Paul Oseguera, Kevin Pucetas and Adam Coward have done the last 2 years of pro ball, I expect *at least* one other guy to make it to the majors, and probably more than one.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:03:23 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451753,from=rss#post451753https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451753,from=rss#post451753quote:22TheThrill wrote: From all reports, Sabean did well in the last draft when he drafted Bumgardner and Alderson with the Giants first two picks. Yeah, the organization needs position players, and Sabean did go on to draft Noonan and Fairley, but in the draft the team needs to maximize the picks by just taking the best players available at any given time. Beau Mills would have been good but I'll hold off judgement until I can see how well Burgardner does this next year. The draft is a total c rap shoot. Just sayin' If the draft were a total crap shoot, then over a 10 year period with 500 picks a GM should be able to get a single position player that could start at a decent level of play.nondisclosed_email@example.com (TheMalcontent)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:01:19 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451751,from=rss#post451751https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451751,from=rss#post451751quote:losgigantes wrote:  Shea Can't-Get-A-Hit-or-take-a-walkenbrand I like that a LOT. nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:41:27 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451750,from=rss#post451750https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451750,from=rss#post451750From all reports, Sabean did well in the last draft when he drafted Bumgardner and Alderson with the Giants first two picks. Yeah, the organization needs position players, and Sabean did go on to draft Noonan and Fairley, but in the draft the team needs to maximize the picks by just taking the best players available at any given time. Beau Mills would have been good but I'll hold off judgement until I can see how well Burgardner does this next year. The draft is a total c rap shoot. Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:26:18 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451749,from=rss#post451749https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451749,from=rss#post451749Yes, so he can draft another pitcher. Better than not drafting anything. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:21:35 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451747,from=rss#post451747https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451747,from=rss#post451747quote:Bhaakon wrote: Let me re-phrase that for Marco: I'd rather have Hillenbrand for a year and a compensation pick than Feliz at any price and no compensation pick. Why? So we can grab another pitcher? Joy! Let's be realistic for a second. Sabean will never, ever, EVER draft a decent power hitter over the age of 20. (had to throw that in for EME) He has also proven inept at trading pitching for decent hitting. The only choice left is to pay for it. If Pedro is our best power threat (which, unfortunately, you could make a good case for), and has a great glove and killer arm, why would you let him go for an inferior player & clubhouse cancer, along with a draft pick? Don't get me wrong, I can think of about 27 other starting 3B i'd rather have. But that just isn't going to happen this offseason. So what do you do? Throw Shea Can't-Get-A-Hit-or-take-a-walkenbrand in the middle of the order with an absolutely inept lineup? So let me get this straight... our lineup would have no one capable of hitting 25HR, no real RBI guys, and the left side of our defense would consist of Shea facking Hillenbrand, a 41yr old SS, and Dave Roberts?? Wow. A RH pull-hitter's WET DREAM. I'd rather have Pedro. We're going to suck offensively no matter what. At least we shouldn't suck defensively too.nondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:11:21 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451738,from=rss#post451738https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451738,from=rss#post451738Let me re-phrase that for Marco: I'd rather have Hillenbrand for a year and a compensation pick than Feliz at any price and no compensation pick. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:31:01 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451736,from=rss#post451736https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451736,from=rss#post451736quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: I'd rather have Shea for one year at $1M than Feliz for 2 years at $12M. (Years ago Shea played 3B). Wait until mid-Feb, and offer whichever one isn't signed a whopping $1M. You know, since our "team" is going to be built around pitching & defense, Pedro makes a lot more sense. Offensively, IMO, Pedro > Shea... and defensively it's no contest. Much as I'm sick of Pedro hacking at slop, he's got great hands, glove & rocket arm. Shea? .....not so muchnondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:56:50 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451719,from=rss#post451719https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451719,from=rss#post451719I'd rather have Shea for one year at $1M than Feliz for 2 years at $12M. (Years ago Shea played 3B). Wait until mid-Feb, and offer whichever one isn't signed a whopping $1M.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:56:24 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451718,from=rss#post451718https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451718,from=rss#post451718Please tell me this is a fucked up joke on Sabean's part, please? If there is a God, Sabean WILL NOT follow through with this.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Feisty)Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:32:29 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451715,from=rss#post451715https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451715,from=rss#post451715Yeah - in seven years - not NOW.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:44:18 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451713,from=rss#post451713https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451713,from=rss#post451713quote:MarcoPolo666 wrote: Although I suppose he might (should) improve in 2008 to the average of his last 4 years performance - a decent, middle-of-the-pack #2. Yeah, giving him a 7 year, $18M/per contract is STILL the worst-ever move. Given the retarded money average starters are getting lately, 18M/yr will look like a deal in 7 years. But then again, in 7 years zito could be a middle reliever.nondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:56:17 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451711,from=rss#post451711https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451711,from=rss#post451711quote:22TheThrill wrote: No trading a young live arm like Accardo to the Jays for Chulk and Shea Hey was a bimbo of a move. Oh and then there was that AJ deal..... Just sayin' Is it just me..... or does sabes really make some retarded moves? nondisclosed_email@example.com (losgigantes)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:53:42 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451710,from=rss#post451710https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451710,from=rss#post451710quote:crazzy man wrote: If Sabean is resorting to Hillenbrand again, then so much for the rebuild. If Sabean still exists, then so much for the rebuild.nondisclosed_email@example.com (chefjuan)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:45:15 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451708,from=rss#post451708https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451708,from=rss#post451708If Sabean is resorting to Hillenbrand again, then so much for the rebuild.nondisclosed_email@example.com (crazzy man)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:59:00 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451707,from=rss#post451707https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451707,from=rss#post451707Look on the bright side: if he continues to pitch like he did in the first half, he'll probably end up eating a line drive or ten. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Bhaakon)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:20:02 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451703,from=rss#post451703https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451703,from=rss#post451703If Zito pitches like he did the last half of the season, then the contract will be a "little" easier to swallow. But if he continues to decline and pitches like he did at the first of last season, watchout! Worst contract EVER, indeed. Why is it I check the headlines everyday in anticipation of Sabean dropping the other shoe? Why am I shocked that he hasn't signed Sweeney to a three year, $8 million per year deal yet? Ughhhhh. Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:48:22 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451702,from=rss#post451702https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451702,from=rss#post451702"Accardo to the Jays for Chulk and Shea Hey" was definitely a bad move. Nathan and 2 others for a cancer was a worse move. But still, 7 years of #2 pitching (if we are LUCKY) for the highest-ever contract given to a pitcher takes the cake. Worst move EVER. Did I mention the SEVEN YEARS that this will screw the team?nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:38:04 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451701,from=rss#post451701https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451701,from=rss#post451701Right- paying a "nice guy" the most ever given to a pitcher, for a #3 starter's performance (and I'm being generous calling him a #3) for SEVEN fackin' years isn't the worst move ever? In what universe? Although I suppose he might (should) improve in 2008 to the average of his last 4 years performance - a decent, middle-of-the-pack #2. Yeah, giving him a 7 year, $18M/per contract is STILL the worst-ever move.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:32:15 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451700,from=rss#post451700https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451700,from=rss#post451700Well, then bringing Shea back has to be the worst. Hillenbrand is a known clubhouse cancer (like AJ). At least Zito is a nice guy.nondisclosed_email@example.com (KCDrummer82)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:28:33 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451699,from=rss#post451699https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451699,from=rss#post451699No trading a young live arm like Accardo to the Jays for Chulk and Shea Hey was a bimbo of a move. Oh and then there was that AJ deal..... Just sayin'nondisclosed_email@example.com (22TheThrill)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:23:11 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451698,from=rss#post451698https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451698,from=rss#post451698quote:KCDrummer82 wrote: The...worst...idea...EVER. I think that signing Zito to a 7 year, $126M contract is still the worst idea ever.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MarcoPolo666)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:15:18 +0000 Re: Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451696,from=rss#post451696https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451696,from=rss#post451696Does Sabean have any original ideas left?nondisclosed_email@example.com (BenboC)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:42:53 +0000 Shea Hey Part Deuxhttps://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451694,from=rss#post451694https://boardsfgiantsfans.runboard.com/p451694,from=rss#post451694The...worst...idea...EVER.nondisclosed_email@example.com (KCDrummer82)Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:19:00 +0000