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Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






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Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.

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"Maybe because the award has become so meaningless that average defenders that can hit are winning it? (LOL @ Rollins winning at SS, Vizquel or Tulowitzki got robbed)."

It's meaningless to you because you don't agree with the winner of the award.

I'm sure if Omar won the award, Giants fans wouldn't be saying "who cares if Omar won the award, it's meaningless"



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I think the biggest problem with the Rowand signing is that it's essentially the same as the Winn signing (and what the team almost did last season with Matthews): paying a guy over 30 who just had his best season like he'd been that good since he broke into the league. It really bothers me that the team just gave a 5-year contract to a guy who hasn't had five good seasons in his entire career, or even just two consecutive good seasons. If he continues his career pattern to this point, he's going to be a serious liability in 3 of the next 5 seasons.
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Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






You can't play a full season if your coaching/GM doesn't give you an opportunity even if you have earned the opportunity.

-Brute-

Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.



If he hits the !@#$ out of the ball in spring training, he will get his chance.





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BarrysBoy wrote:

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Avenge02 wrote:

Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






You can't play a full season if your coaching/GM doesn't give you an opportunity even if you have earned the opportunity.

-Brute-

Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.



If he hits the !@#$ out of the ball in spring training, he will get his chance.




So who's he going to play over, 8 million dollar man Randy Winn, 12 Million dollar man Aaron Rowand, or 6 Million dollar man Dave Roberts and friend of Bochy???



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TheMalcontent wrote:

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BarrysBoy wrote:

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Avenge02 wrote:

Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






You can't play a full season if your coaching/GM doesn't give you an opportunity even if you have earned the opportunity.

-Brute-

Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.



If he hits the !@#$ out of the ball in spring training, he will get his chance.




So who's he going to play over, 8 million dollar man Randy Winn, 12 Million dollar man Aaron Rowand, or 6 Million dollar man Dave Roberts and friend of Bochy???




Roberts

It wouldn't matter if they gave the job to Roberts anyways. I won't be surprised if he gets hurt early in the year and is on the shelf about half of the season. Then again, that is only stating the obvious.

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BarrysBoy wrote:

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TheMalcontent wrote:

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BarrysBoy wrote:

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Avenge02 wrote:

Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






You can't play a full season if your coaching/GM doesn't give you an opportunity even if you have earned the opportunity.

-Brute-

Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.



If he hits the !@#$ out of the ball in spring training, he will get his chance.




So who's he going to play over, 8 million dollar man Randy Winn, 12 Million dollar man Aaron Rowand, or 6 Million dollar man Dave Roberts and friend of Bochy???




Roberts

It wouldn't matter if they gave the job to Roberts anyways. I won't be surprised if he gets hurt early in the year and is on the shelf about half of the season. Then again, that is only stating the obvious.

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You can't give your self a HR, it was more like a foul tip anyway, because if what you are saying is Sheirholtz will get scattered playing time and not be allowed to get in a rythem or always looking over his shoulder and if he goes into a slump isn't allowed to hit out of one like they allow players like Roberts, Durham, Winn, etc...

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I'll tell you signs the Giants are planning on having Nate as their RF next year.

• When he came up in September, he played nearly everyday, at the expense of those two (notably Roberts).
• Outside of Barry, not a single Giants outfielder was used in just one OF spot through the [sign in to see URL] Nate in right field.
• Nate was sent to (and responded in) the AFL.

But we will see, and frankly, nothing I could say, even a direct quote by Sabean himself or Bochy or God, will change your mind on the subject, I suspect.

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TheMalcontent wrote:

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BarrysBoy wrote:

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TheMalcontent wrote:

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BarrysBoy wrote:

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Avenge02 wrote:

Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.






You can't play a full season if your coaching/GM doesn't give you an opportunity even if you have earned the opportunity.

-Brute-

Rowand doesn't directly block Sheirholtz, but he forces Roberts to LF and Winn to RF instead of Roberts CF, Winn LF, Sheirholtz RF.



If he hits the !@#$ out of the ball in spring training, he will get his chance.




So who's he going to play over, 8 million dollar man Randy Winn, 12 Million dollar man Aaron Rowand, or 6 Million dollar man Dave Roberts and friend of Bochy???




Roberts

It wouldn't matter if they gave the job to Roberts anyways. I won't be surprised if he gets hurt early in the year and is on the shelf about half of the season. Then again, that is only stating the obvious.

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You can't give your self a HR, it was more like a foul tip anyway, because if what you are saying is Sheirholtz will get scattered playing time and not be allowed to get in a rythem or always looking over his shoulder and if he goes into a slump isn't allowed to hit out of one like they allow players like Roberts, Durham, Winn, etc...




You are talking like Sheirholtz is some blue chipper.

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He has looked good at times, but I'm not convinced he will be an everyday player. Rowand and Winn have a starting spot. Sheirholtz and ther others need to battle it out to take LF, that is if the Giants don't get a big bat for LF via trade. Sabean has already said the Giants have a surplus of outfields, so who knows, Sheirholtz might get dealt.



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Brute, I hope your right!

But I am skeptical becuase historicaly both Sabean and Bochy have favored vets over rookies.
Also and OF of Winn, Rowland, and Shierholtz leaves the Giants without a lead off hitter.

Therefore, I see the opening day OF consisting of Roberts, Rowland and Winn. Shhierholtz and Davis make the roster as backups and Lewis goes back to Fresno.
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