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Looking at his offensive stats that may be true, but if he's clutch, it will be better than Feliz and his 80-100 RBI which most are not in the clutch.

One other thing. How can a Gold Glover be over rated on defense???

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i dig it. he's a hard-nosed player, a good/great fielder, and a decent hitter. he won't do much alone, but if we add a bat this year or next year, he'll be a great commodity imo.

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Exactly. He's a kind of guy that will play the game the right way and add excitement to this team. Something that has been missing the last couple of years.


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Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!
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Barring a breakdown in spring training, I not at all upset with an outfield of Winn, Rowand and Shierholtz on opening day.

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Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



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How can a Gold Glover be over rated on defense???



Maybe because the award has become so meaningless that average defenders that can hit are winning it? (LOL @ Rollins winning at SS, Vizquel or Tulowitzki got robbed).

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a decent hitter.



I wouldn't even go that far. Look at his BABIP from the last 4 seasons with his batting line:

04 - .341 BABIP, .310/.361/.544
05 - .318 BABIP, .270/.329/.407
06 - .297 BABIP, .262/.321/.425
07 - .348 BABIP, .309/.374/.509

What this clearly shows, if you know anything about BABIP(quick rundown: A normal BABIP should be around .[sign in to see URL]), is that Rowand is a very hit lucky hitter and when he dips into normal range, he's a below average hitter. Even at .318 in 2005, he only put up a .270 BA with a .329 OBP. And these numbers were put up in predominantly hitters parks. This is why the signing is bad. Move him to AT&T Park, a neutral park(17th in MLB in PF last year), and his numbers decline, unless he makes contact like he did in 2004 and 2007, possibly might need a higher BABIP to match last year's numbers.



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Eh, I don't hate this as much as I did initially.

Rowland doesn't block [sign in to see URL]'s others (notably Winn and/or Roberts) who would. Rowland is a CF, and is a clear advantage over the others on the roster, both on defense and offense. And the Giants don't have a lot of high-ceiling CF options in the system: Davis and Timpner are good D but questionable hitters; Lewis can't play CF well and lets that affect his bat when he does play there; Richardson is a risky option at best, and Copeland just hasn't stepped up.

The deal isn't out of line with other deals out there. It's a lot, but it needs to be compared with the center fielders on the roster, not the corners.

And there's no arguing that if this team is going to try and be a pitching/defense team, Rowland is a positive step towards that goal. He improves the outfield defense all around.

The age side of it doesn't matter to [sign in to see URL] years under the age of 35 more than outweighs the one year over it.

I'd been hoping that the fifth year would've been an option, but it's not a killer. And unlike others, Rowland doesn't have full no-trade protection for anything beyond the first year, making the contract movable in the future if it need be.

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Hopefully the Giants would decide to move him while he still has trade value. They haven't exactly been practitioners of the Bill Walsh "better a year too early than a year too late" philosophy.
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Rowland glove will be a welcome addition as will his clubhouse presence; that said I think the signing was another Sabaen blunder for the following reasons:
1. The $12 million cost is wildly disproportionate to the expected benefits. Assuming Shierholtz becomes a serviceable regular, the offensive difference between Rowland and Shierholtz is not that great, certainly not to the tune of $12 million dollars.
2. Along those lines, Rowland blocks Shieholtz in the lineup potentially stunting his development. At a minimum, I would have like to have seen Shierholtz given the opening day OF job to see if he is a viable future piece of the franchise.
3. 5 years is too long a contract. Other teams wouldn’t give Rowland a fifth year and for good reason. Note to Sabean, it is very risky to sign players past their 35th birthday. Especially one who plays all out like Rowland, I fear he is a major injury waiting to happen.
4. The opportunity cost. In a world of limited resources the $12 million Rowland will consume annually could have been put to better uses. This year, I would have liked to see some of that money put towards scouting and signing international talent. In the future it could have been spent on a position of greater need (corner inf)!



You bring up a lot of good points, but at the same time, Shierholtz has not played a full season yet. You take a big gamble giving him the job.

Like I said before, Rowand is just the start. I believe more bats and bigger bats are on the way. If he was signed AFTER we already aquired a huge bat, I don't think people would look down on the signing so much.





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