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Here's a link to draft discussion that popped up in a thread recently.

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(By linking it here, I hope to make "draft discussions" easier to find in a few weeks or months.)
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If this team is going to rebuild, it should be around Lincecum and Cain. Those are pitchers who come along only a few times in a generation.



Sincerely,

Cole Hamels
Clayton Kershaw
Felix Hernandez
Yovani Gallardo
Phillip Hughes
Joba Chamberlain
Fausto Carmona
Johnny Cueto
Chad Billingsley
Zack Greinke
Francisco Liriano
Homer Bailey

And that's just the group of guys under 25 who have arrived in the past few seasons.

I am not saying Cain and Lincecum are not solid anchors for the Giants' rotation, but I am saying that it's wrong to label them as guys who only come around a few times in a generation.

The Reds will build around Cueto and Bailey. The Bums will do so around Billingsley and Kershaw. The Spanks will build around Hughes and Chamberlain.

There are other teams that have young stud 1-2 combos as well. Let's just stop the canonization of Cain and Lincecum until they actually get some hardware to match the potential of "a few times in a generation."

Let's reserve those terms for guys like Bonds, ARod, and Greg Maddux.

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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.

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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.
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more like, taken behind the stadium, waterboarded, shot in the knee, then the shoulder, then the crotch, then the gut, then dumped into mccovey cove while still breathing with a block of concrete tied to one [sign in to see URL] light enough not to completely sink hin right away, but so he had a slow gulping drown.

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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.



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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.



I must [sign in to see URL] would welcome drafting a pitcher at #5. Here are my reasons:

The organization has proven to be far better at developing pitchers and hitters. Having a failed draftee at # 5 would be costly.

Drafting pitchers melds w/ management's pitching and defense philosophy

It is impossible to have too many pitchers.

The Sabean premise that surplus pitching can always be traded, is a valid one. The rub, of course, is receiving an equal or greater return.
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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.
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more like, taken behind the stadium, waterboarded, shot in the knee, then the shoulder, then the crotch, then the gut, then dumped into mccovey cove while still breathing with a block of concrete tied to one [sign in to see URL] light enough not to completely sink hin right away, but so he had a slow gulping drown.



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who fits?


lmfao how about a guy that can hit the ball with power and who isnt 100 years old


is that muscular guy from baseball stars available?
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Oh, and if Sabean drafts a pitcher, he should be fired immediately.



I must [sign in to see URL] would welcome drafting a pitcher at #5. Here are my reasons:

The organization has proven to be far better at developing pitchers and hitters. Having a failed draftee at # 5 would be costly.

Drafting pitchers melds w/ management's pitching and defense philosophy

It is impossible to have too many pitchers.

The Sabean premise that surplus pitching can always be traded, is a valid one. The rub, of course, is receiving an equal or greater return.



First, "management's pitching and defense philosophy" is a nice way of saying "We facked up this team so bad that we don't have a legit power hitter to bat cleanup and we cannot seem to pay a legit power bat enough money to come to San Francisco." If you actually believe that their intended goal is to develop a team like the 1985 St. Louis Cardinals who can win the NL despite having only one guy with more than 20 bombs, well, then you are living in 1985.

Second, your comment that having a "failed draftee at #5 would be costly." is ignorant because pitchers can fail just as easily as hitters. Sincerely, Jason Grilli. With the #5 pick in the draft, there will be VERY LITTLE difference in the ceiling of a top hitter or a top pitcher.

Third, your assumption that it is impossible to have too many good arms is not a valid one. For reasons why, I give you: Dave Roberts, Omar Vizquel, Randy Winn, Benjie Molina, Aaron Rowand, Ray Durham, Dan Ortmeier and Rich Aurilia. When THAT is your starting lineup and that is the best lineup you can possibly field on a given day, no amount of pitching is going to save you.

Finally, making a trade is nice, but Brian Sabean has not made a legit trade to improve the Giants to anyone other than Dave Littlefield. Since Pittsburgh finally wised up and fired Littlefield, Sabean no longer has a GM dumber than he is to take advantage of.

The bottom line is that the Giants have NO ONE in their farm system who is going to threaten the 20 HR plateau before my son reaches middle school - and he's in second grade this year. As the big name bats have no interest in signing with such an inept general manager, the only way the Giants will land an impact bat is to draft one.

Now comes the fun part. Let's name all the impact bats Brian Sabean has ever drafted. OK, I'll go first: ......

Your turn.

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Hahahaha I love how Cameron Frye writes. Fack Henry Schulman or whoever the Giants beat writer is. Give this character a job at the SF Chronicle!

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