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Giants considering offering zito a 6year/120 million.


Just out of curioisty What pitcher availble next yr is better then Zito?

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Some of us might not consider Zito to be a top player.
In 2000, ARod got $25 million, Manny and Delgado got $20 million and the next year, Vlad signed for < $15 million.
Sometimes, they do shrink.

I don't think the Giants are starving either, I just think there may be a #1 pitcher or middle of the lineup hitter available next year or the year after for $20 million that will help more than a declining (?) #2 starter.




Good point. But... I don't think Zito is declining. Yes, he hasn't won 20 games or a cy young in a few years, but dude is only, what, 26-27? I don't think he'll start declining until early 31-32.
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He's 28 and his peripherals portend to mediocrity and not stardom.

He's not an ace, he's a #2 guy. Even the year he won the CY and every other year in Oakland.
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You guys do realize that if Morris improves and Lowry pitches like he can we will easily have the best rotation in the NL with Zito if everyone stays healthy
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You do realize that if everyone pitches the same as they did last season the Giants' rotation won't be any better than in 2006?
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Good point. But... I don't think Zito is declining. Yes, he hasn't won 20 games or a cy young in a few years, but dude is only, what, 26-27? I don't think he'll start declining until early 31-32.



2000-2003: 3.12 ERA, 7.16 K/9 IP, 3.41 BB/9 IP

2004-2006: 4.05 ERA, 6.59 K/9 IP, 3.65 BB/9 IP

Maybe the peripherals didn't decline too sharply, but that isn't a rise.

Don't judge age as something where it affects everyone the same way. It doesn't, nor is it the only factor in a rise or a decline.

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Just out of curioisty What pitcher availble next yr is better then Zito?



Carlos Zambrano (25), Mark Buerhle (27), Colon (33).
If we can get any of those, especially Zambrano...

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Buerhle and Colon are not as good as Zito.

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Just out of curioisty What pitcher availble next yr is better then Zito?



I don't know that it matters. How about asking, who will be available for $20 million per year over the next 6 years that will be better? That's a long list.
Also, who might be available that, while not quite as good as a Zito (4 ERA, 1.4 WHIP, 27 HRs), will give the Giants more payroll flexibility?
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